Talk:Crasher (G1)

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Shattered Glass Crasher would either be her own article or a footnote, depending on how much coverage she got.--Rosicrucian^Talk 14:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking the same thing, since we treat the other Shattered Glass guys seperately from their regular G1 versions. --FFN 17:01, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I know it's not relevant, but I just have to say it - that cyborg stuf IS part of Challenge of the GoBots. S'part of that story with the Master Renegade and the Last Guardian, and gets reffed in the Rock Lords movie. Okay, resume normal functions. - Chris McFeely 23:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that people who're adding GoBots information (trivial or not) need to be clear about just what source they're referring to. In this case, it's the old robots-vs-cyborgs issue that keeps turning up. Some early Tonka write-ups, specifically page 1 of the ZOD book, appear to support the latter but never explicitly declare the GoBots we all knew circa 1984. Most of the toy-related material from Tonka or Golden Books is off in some respect and should carry about as much weight as the "Enemy ROBOT Race Car" label on both of Crasher's cards. The only serious attempt at consistent storytelling (and where 90% of the characterization derives from), Challenge of the GoBots, complicates matters further by not only being less direct (neither the Last Engineer's story nor offhand remarks in Battle of the Rocklords are to be taken out of their context) but at times downright contradictory (timelines as laid out by In Search of Ancient GoBonauts). --68.82.87.66 00:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

This talk piqued my curiosity, and I talked about it with a friend of mine who's a Gobot aficionado. He put together a list of scenes and facts supporting the fact that Gobots are every bit as 100% robotic as Transformers are. Submitted for everyone:

1. ZOD book, page 1

For an origin story, the lack of time reference is curious. Why would they call themselves GoBots before moving in that direction? Actually, accoring to The GoBotron Saga Part 3. the original inhabitants of GoBotron were called GoBings.

Zeemon: "He turned out to be WHO?"

Leader1: "The Master Renegade, the leader of the ancient rebellion which DESTROYED the GoBings."

2. Last Engineer's story, ancient newscast

Last Engineer: "Because of the catastrophe, our race is nearing extinction. I am among the last and must do something."

Scooter: "The Last Enigeer saved us by inventing the GoBot form."

I don't see anything that disproves non-cyborg alternatives.

3. Last Engineer's story, upon revival

AJ Foster: "How, I mean, why are you part human, part...?"

Last Engineer: "Part robot? Heh heh heh. Survival, my dear. As parts wore out, I replaced them."

OK, so the Last Engineer is a technically cyborg. This is world's different from ALL GoBots being cyborgs. It's implicit that the Last Engineer did this to himself over time, whereas the inhabitants of GoBotron had a much more immediate need.

4. Leader1's disassembly

How does a human brain survive being diconnected from a cyborg body and being shot that close to the sun?

See also: Turbo's-brain-somehow-didn't-freeze-on-the-dark-side-of-the-moon.

See also: "Humans cannot live on a waterless planet, but we Renegades can!" from Wendy's "The Sea Vaporizer"

5. Clutch of Doom

Dr. Aureolis: "Heh heh heh. The Rhomatic Condensor doesn't work on GoBots. It's programmed for organic beings only."

6. Battle For GoBotron (pilot)

None of the GoBots are affected by the mind control signal that ensnares every human on Earth.

7. Sentinel

Sentinel (referring to Crasher): "A vehicle that lacks an organic control mechanism."

CyKill: "You see, we are pure machines, like yourself, machines that battle against organic life forms and their misguided GoBot allies."

8. GoBots 1-72 All Super GoBots

Mighty Robots Mighty Vehicles, Friendly/Guardian ROBOT ?, Enemy/Renegade ROBOT ?

9. Tonka's original backstory from GoBot 01

"GoBots come from a different time and age. They are mighty robots that change into mighty vehicles. Some are friendly while others are enemy."

10. Nazca Lines, referenced in In Search of Ancient GoBonauts which is not online

The episode is about an ancient GoBot called the Evil One, who was banished from GoBotron for nearly destroying it with an anti-matter weapon called the Dark Heart during a power struggle that ensued after the Last Engineer and Master Renegade disappeared. The story goes that he crashed in Peru and the Nazca lines were a clue left behind. The article says they date to between 200 BC and 700 AD, placing the GoBotron catastrophe at least 1300 years in the past. If page 1 of the ZOD book is to believed, scientists of GoBotron have been studying Earth for at least 13 centuries...all the way back to the dark ages at best and before Jesus and maybe even Rome at worst?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Detour (talk • contribs) 04:02, 26 April 2008.