Talk:Jesus

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Does this article really need to exist? What does it really have to do with Transformers? Am I missing some subtle TF in-joke?

Omnisvalidus 08:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Jesus was referenced in the Dreamworks Transformers movie, so it's reasonable to have an article describing his relevance in the TF mythos. Hence the emphasis on his status as a moral exemplar implied by the phrase "What Would Jesus Do?", the car thing, and the cross symbol over anything of theological substance, and the snarky sentence about a possible connection to that Christmas holiday Transformers have repeatedly encountered. -Rotty 09:06, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

This article seems like a biiig stretch to me, too. Yes, the word "Jesus" has been spoken a few times in Transformers fiction. I'm not sure that really justifies the article. --Steve-o 17:00, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

And yet we already have Frijole in the Gods category. Are we going to delete that too? -Rotty 19:19, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Frojole doesn't read like an unencyclopedia entry. -Derik 19:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Plus, "Frijole" largely serves as a wry commentary on the stereotyping of Carlos. This article just doesn't strike me as having that much of a point to it, and seems random almost to the point of off-topicness. TVsGrady 20:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I think it's an article worth having, but this version is not done brilliantly. I feel like it should be done in the same way as articles like Nicholas, acting as if the references in Transformers fiction are the only existing information anywhere. Maybe Jesus (Movie) wasn't a carpenter, who knows? --Andrusi 20:26, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

That part came from the pre-existing Christmas article. I've removed it from both since, yes, Transformers have never been seen learning about the trades practiced by incarnate human deities. What else do you think is too self-aware, the possible connection to Christmas? -Rotty 22:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay, it's had the tobedeleted tag for 12 days since the issue was last (and first) discussed inconclusively. If there are no objections, I shall remove the tag on the assumption that it's not getting deleted no matter how long the tag stays there. -Rotty 00:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

We have bunches of articles that have been tagged for deletion way longer than that. It doesn't mean the page belongs. It just means nobody deleted it yet. If you want to save the article, how about rewriting it, since nobody in this talk page said they liked it? Andrusi at least said he might support it if it were better. --Steve-o 14:10, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

The rewrite would be... difficult in-universe. Has INRI ever been namechecked outside of the movie? (Maybe Paul Charteris's flashback to his time studying to be a priest mentions it...) -Derik 15:51, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Only on the TF Wiki would the Son of God be considered non-relevant. I'm amused. I would say we keep the article in the spirit of silly pages, but this whole wiki is snarky enough that it doesn't need separate pages for in-jokes. --Slander 13:15, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

It's overall just not a good idea, it will spark quite some wrong reactions. Decepticon Rhinox 18:14, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

As a Christian in possession of a sense of humor, I disagree. I love the fact this article exists and think it's hilarious. Ronimus Prime 21:42, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Big thumbs up on the current version of this page. Perfect balance. Emvee 23:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Decepticon Rhinox as well as disagree with my brother-in-Christ, Ronimus Prime. I have a sense of humor, too, but I personally feel like making light of Jesus Christ isn't cool. - Zadok Rox 12:25, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

The first time people made light of Jesus, he ended up being Crucified and dying for your sins, allowing you to have eternal life with him in Heaven. I'd let this slide, just in case it leads to more free gifts! --ItsWalky 12:32, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't know where everyone keeps getting this "Christ" thing from. We've put literally every fact about the TFverse Jesus in the article, and there's nothing about a last name or a crucifixion or eternal life or anything. - Jackpot 14:17, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

“	Christmas: Date -- December 25th. Annual festival celebrating Christ's birth. Features include family reunion, gift-giving...	”
—Starscream's "Internal Data File," Stargazing

Of course, no evidence to link this "Christ" and "Jesus" together. --ItsWalky 16:14, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the quote. I've updated Christmas accordingly, too. - Jackpot 17:04, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

All snark aside, Zadok, I think this article is a perfect reflection of how lightly the movie itself took Jesus. This is an extremely accurate depiction of what "Jesus" is in the TFverse. I think it's pretty clear that we're NOT talking about the real-world religious figure here. - Jackpot 17:04, 2 August 2008 (UTC)