Talk: Starscream (Movie)

ROTF pic

File:Starscream's A badass.jpg

I got yer Allspark! Right here!

I think this should be the new picture at the top as it portrays Screamer as much more badass than the current pic, also, it's from ROTF so it's more recent.NobodiewithaHeart 19:16, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Let's wait until the movie is released and decide from there. Xeno the Hedgehog 19:41, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Accuracy disputes

I've noticed that there is some argument about the accuracy of Starscream's toy. Some thing that the vehicle mode is accurate, while others think not. Judging from the toy gallery on Seibertron.com, it looks very accurate except for the blasters formed from his hands, which are severly oversized compared to both the movie model and the toy itself. Other than this though, the majority of the figure seems to be pretty accurate.

If you know anything about fighters, then you'll know its an appallingly bad representation of an F-22 Raptor (has details closer to a YF-22, if I recall correctly). Hasbro/Takara have unfortunately produced better F-22-type planes in the past with Energon Starscream, and the cancelled NATF swing-wing version of the fighter with G2 Hooligan. I'm not really surprised that most Transformers fans can't tell the difference, as they generally aren't that well-versed in military hardware. --FFN 23:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, we tend to be more focused on consumer goods. --Andrusi 02:42, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

To be perfectly honest, I will agree that it fits closer to the submodel than the main fighter, but at the same time I was looking at the two pictures side-by-side. In cases such as this, color is irrelevent considering Gen 1 Starscream was originally considered a highly unlikely paint-job for an F-15... until they adopted it. Admittedly, the arms and undercarriage do make the toy itself look less like the actual jet than the movie model, but they are also grossly different; Starscream's triple guns on his hands in the movie are MUCH smaller, and had to be enlarged for the toy to meet safety regulations. And while I do not exactly have a degree in the field, I do like to study up on military hardware, especially jets, tanks, and some of the newer guns (the XM-8 in particular). I was kind of hoping they'd go with the newer F-35B, but I think it was still in the experimental stage when the movie was being scripted. Dracokanji 03:39, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

G1 Starscream's own hull colour is very similar to the grey they used on F-15s of the 80s. I don't recall that the USAF used any of G1 Starscream's decos, did they? As I explained on G1 Starscream's talk page, Classics Starscream's colour scheme was made up from photos of the F-15 prototype that the Air Force doctored... for some reason. Real one was light blue with rather bright orange.

The F-35 is a piece of overpriced crap compared to the Raptor. --FFN 08:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

And you're SURE these photos are doctored, and they don't just have a few or even a single fighter in that color scheme (especially since it was a prototype)? if you can cite documented proof with a link specifically saying so, I'll accept it. I might add that while not a seperate series, G2 Starscream had a more salmon/coral and bluish color scheme than G1 did (pretty much what I saw on the F-15 photos). While the detailing isn't exactly the same, the colors are fairly close. I will also clairify that I didn't mean the Air Force didn't adopt the color scheme BECAUSE of G1, but they just happened to use a similar paint scheme at one time.

I'll also remind you that your OPINION of the F-35 is not a fact, but regardless of that I stand by my statement on it.

Dracokanji 12:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I am sure. One of the moderators over at Macross World (pretty much chock full of fighter enthusiasts there) provided me with a photo of an F-15 prototype in its original, ugly colours. Same pattern as Classics Starscream, but with a light blue hull colour and orange where red is. G1 SS's own hull colour is close to FS 36375, the main grey used on real F-15's of the 80's.

As for my opinion on the F-35 Lightning II, its fine here on this talk page because its not in the actual article. --FFN 16:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Barrel Roll Blaster

It's merchandise released to coincide with the movie, yes, but the jet mode isn't particularly based on the design of Movie Starscream, and the hand is pretty clearly based on G1 Starscream. Should the Barrel Roll Blaster be considered a toy for G1 Starscream instead of for Movie Starscream?

(And while we're at it, same thing for the Big Rig Blaster--the trailer's very G1, the truck cab is halfway between G1 and Movie, and the hand's clearly G1.)

After all, Optimash and the Robot Heroes are getting listed among their G1 counterparts. Are the Nerf guys more G1 or movie?

Awa64 08:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Amazing, almost as if the movie were part of the g1 continuity family... -Derik 08:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Not particularly, no, considering the design elements that ARE clearly movie or ARE clearly G1 are fairly distinct from one another. I'd say it's more like they were handled by a design team external to the Transformers brand... say, the Nerf team... and weren't given particularly clear instructions on whether to follow a G1 or a Movie aestetic. However, that's just baseless conjecture and is getting off-topic from the question at hand.--Awa64 08:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd say the real reason is they want to use these sculpts after the movie for other lines. I figger that's why the Prime one is some weird place between a flatnose and a longnose semi. You make the fist inside one of those movie claws, and that's gonna be incongruous if you redeco it for Animated or whatever. --ItsWalky 14:58, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

That makes just as much sense, if not more. But in any case... does that make them more G1 Character toys than Movie Character toys? --Awa64 16:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

No. Prime's got the flames, and Starscream's in solid gray. Movie roleplay. --ItsWalky 16:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Way to harsh my hellow. -Derik 08:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Mission City battle details

In this revision, FFN added several details including some stuff about the RBFATE that I wanted to get confirmation on: First, that Starscream rejoined the human raptor squardon and himself fired upon Megatron. Second, that this assault from the jets damaged Megatron's armor, providing a place for Sam to shove the All Spark in. Granted I've only seen the movie twice, but, I didn't pick up on either of those things, even remotely. Are those details from the novelization or comic adaptation? I feel like we should indicate in some way when expanding on movie synopses with supplemental material. --Steve-o 00:18, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

The last missile assault we see shows direct hits on the front of Megatron's chest, and pieces fly all over. --ItsWalky 00:32, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

However, although it's entirely possible that Starscream takes part in that attack, I don't believe there is enough evidence to state it conclusively in the wiki as it currently appears. It is spec. Swift 23:04, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Watching the flick for the 3rd time I specifically looked for this... and dudes, I really don't think it's there. When bombarding Megatron, the F-22s are onscreen for about 1.5 seconds and at a pretty good distance. I didn't see any way to tell any of them apart, let alone identify one of them as Starscream. --Thylacine 2000 18:49, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

From what i have seen there is some credebility to the claim. While there is no way to verify if Starscream fired on Megatron i beleive that after Starscream transforms into his altmode for the last time you see him barrel roll to the right as an order to pursue him is given. Immediately after the entire squadren pursues a raptor that is smoking. As far as I can tell that is not Starscream and the military haslost sight of him and mistakenly assumed that due to the heavy beating he has just taken that he must be the most damaged raptor. It trivially worth mentioning that Starscream appears to be fine in his last appearace and no such damage as would indicate that he actually was that plane. Addtionally I would just like to mention one thing, treating this as f it were all true; Starscream tricked the United States military into shooting down one of their own and might have then used that to his advantage to assassinate Megatron. I take back anything and everything i said about movie Starscream being out of character. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.194.98.116 (talk • contribs).

What you describe here is that the film is consistent with the idea that Starscream participated in the attack. That is very differenet than if the film actually supported that viewpoint. From what have seen, including your description here, there is nothing in the film to support the idea. It is simply one of infinitely many things that are "possible" to have happened offscreen. --Steve-o 07:01, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I should note that at the time of rewriting the fiction section, I did not originate the 'Starscream shooting Megatron' bit. I was unsure so I just left it there. I personally don't believe it until somebody officially confirms it. --FFN 17:06, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Spare pic

Masterpiece

Shouldn't the Masterpiece Starscream section be on the G1 page? -- Dark T Zeratul 02:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

"Though the toy is based on G1 Starscream, and the design has been used in appalling G1-universe fiction, it serves double duty as movie Starscream thanks to the Sector Seven alternate-reality game."

--ItsWalky 02:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

But doesn't that mean that Grimlock, VW Bunblebee, Kickback, and Laserbeak should also get linked to the movie section? They were in the Sector 7 clips too.--Carrion 02:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I think those things should all be included as trivia notes, nothing more. Listing Masterpiece Starscream as one of Movie Starscream's toys seems highly dubious to me. --KilMichaelMcC 02:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Starscream's a unique instance, as he's a real movie character. But ff we had a page on N.B.E. Whatevernumber, I'd think that linking him to the G1 toy wouldn't be out of line. Chip 03:25, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I kinda agree. --ItsWalky 03:03, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Weird that they have the same toy though, almsot liek the movie was part of the Generation 1 Continuity Family... -Derik 03:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

You agree There should be a page for every NBE number, listing them as a seperate character?

That doesn't sound like you Walky. -03:28, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Technically there isn't actually anything internal to the ARG that says that the NBE who was cited multiple times in 1982 is the same character as Movie Starscream, is there? --KilMichaelMcC 03:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Long time popular character

God Damn! Optimus, Megatron and Starscream are the 3 most popular everywhere. The 3 had been featured in Unicron Trilogy, Generation 1 and 2 and almost everywhere. How come Starscream got a high popular rating equal to everyone?

By the way a real F-22 Raptor does bombing runs and anti air roles at the same time. Starscream stands out due to that.(Spearhead 04:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC))

Hardest Working Decepticon?

For a soldier that wants to take command from Megatron Starscream sure worked hard in the final battle. After mobilizing he was first on the scene at the dam and single handedly defrosted Megatron. Was first to Mission City taking out Bumblebee's legs. Messed up Ratchet and Ironhide. Took out the F-22s and destroyed the transport helicopter. Starscream is off the hook! How could Megatron fault such a performance when the likes of Barricade did not even show up.

Frenzey defrosted Megatron.

Starscream had more to do with the defrost that Frenzy. As you recall Starscream was the 1st Decepticon to arrive at the Hoover dam after Frenzy sent the message that he found Megatron, and Starscream used his null ray to disable all the power generators in the Hoover Dam. (I admit the movie did a horrible job of explaining this.) Later we see Frenzy changing hacking the human computer to defrost Megatron, but the fact that the humans had lost all power would have defrosted Megatron anyway.

Galvatron may have a role in the sequel, it was nice while it lasted.

If that was his null ray, I shame Michael Bay. I actually think they were missiles. And you're right, Frenzy didn't actually do much. As you can tell by his reaction; "Oh, Megatron melting!" he didn't anticipate him to be defrosting quite yet.

Why Are We Including Stolen Toys?

No, really, why? I thought it was against the rules to put up stuff that we only know about because somebody stole it. --M Sipher

Because I like to keep toy sections updated, and if I don't do it now, I'd forget and nobody else would bother. I almost forgot about the Vardia Starscream until I saw DS Starscream. Also, I don't think Hasbro really cares. --FFN 04:57, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

"Nobody else would bother" is utter bullshit. And WE care. --M Sipher 05:18, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

No slight upon the contributions of other members or yourself, but the toy sections on this wiki that are largely neglected beg to differ with you. In fact, toys are among the most neglected sections of character articles on a wiki, which is understandable in a way (because people are here to read or write about the fiction, mostly). But neglected toy sections also does a disservice given how important toys are to Transformers, which is why I devote most of my time here on writing about the toys. --FFN 06:55, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

FFN, please adhere to our established policies. --ItsWalky 05:27, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

FFN, I feel your pain. But use a HTML comment.

<!--Reformatting Starscream, clear plastic recolor of his 2007 Voyager mold offered as an incentive with a 2 year membership at Spartan Gym in Italy, limited to 300. Information via SPQQY, don't un-hide until it's official.-->

That way it's hidden from view, but even if you DO forget about it, the note is still there and some future editor'll un-hide it when they see it. -Derik 05:25, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

That policy needs some kind of time limit. Otherwise, we seem kinda silly. Interrobang 08:46, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Which part now? -Derik 13:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand what you're getting at. That category is for toys that we know were planned, but for which any reasonable time-of-release is long passed. Granted I don't know how exactly quantifies that - except that most of those characters are from lines that have ended. If by some (not so) bizarre circumstance they end up being released later, we can always edit the relevant entries. --Sntint 13:05, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

My point is that the policy is so broad that it applies to a lot of unreleased toys. "Any leaked toys [...] should not be included". It needs clarification, that's all. Interrobang 20:15, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Present Tense

I thought we had decided to keep present tense in the episode summaries and comic issue articles, not in the actual character articles themselves? --FFN 17:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I believe you're right. I was overly ambitious, and apologize. I'll reset it.--Apcog 17:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Fighter Markings

I'm not sure if this belongs here, but the Deep Space Starscream toy section mentions Starscream's fighter markings as being those of an F-22 from Langley; while I haven't seen the toy in question, if it has the same markings as the high-res promo render picture, they're wrong. The tail markings are indeed Langley AFB, but the fuselage insignia is that of the 71st, an F-15 squadron (probably a G1 homage). This is setting aside the fact that he shouldn't have Langley markings at all - theoretically got his alt-mode from a Raptor prototype, which would put him at Edwards with the 412th (and indeed in the movie he's shown at Edwards).

Mission City battle details

Bold textbased on the earlier scenes, human weapons are usless (except sabots) . So how could a normal missile That didn't dent scorponok damage megs so much? 76.68.69.253 20:44, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

It's possible that, because Skorponok is smaller than Megatron, that the people who fired on him missed, and Skorponok was only damaged/dazed by the missiles exploding very close to him. It's a theory, but I'm pretty sure that it's a good one. Also, they pretty much hit Megs point-blank.

A little about Starscream in Transformer:Revenge of the Fallen The Game

Starscream featured in the 2nd movie games basically take over Megatron's place. He trained Long Haul & Grindor at the beginning of the stage. He usually imposed himself as the leader of the deceptacons when question by both Long Haul & Grindor. Grindor once said: Give me more Autobots to destroyed in the name of Megatron!" Starscream reply:"Do not mention that name! I'm the leader of the Deceptacons!" Although he dislike Megatron, he still needed Megatron to conquered the Earth. He help the escape of Megatron by destroying the US Naval Fleet defending the remains of Megatron. And bow down at his present(So much for a Seeker that try to imposed himself as a leader of the diceptacons)

Starsream in the Game

Like in the movie, Starscream transformed into a F-22 Raptor with battle marking/tatoo on the body. Unlike Grindor, Starscream flight control is similar to Breakaway(Movie Game Version) It will automatically fly foward once the Shift/Left Mouse Button deploy. Its default W button propelled it down while S button propelled it up. This make it a little challenging to control Starscream for w(up) s(down) prefered player(although you can change the configuration, but it will also affect Grindor as it fly diffrently). But once you mastered the control, Starscream can be very agile to menuever. Starscream default weapon is a Gatling Cannon & Homing Missles. His special ability is Increased damage and slow down enemy. Combine with Overdrive, his gatling cannon turn into gatling lasers whcih can destroyed most enemies easily. Be warned though, he is not as durable as Long Haul and Megatron and in multiplayer can lost 3/4 of his health very rapidly. He can be very powerful or totally useless. In multiplayer, best use him as a hit and run fighter & avoid using him in the heat of battle.

Both Long Haul and Grindor bonus objectives can unlock Starscream's G1 colour, which kinda odd for Starscream.Thats about most I can tell, I'll give more info after complte the game.(Willy NOD 05:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC))

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Seriously, the captions on the pictures were hilarious. Keep up the good work! S-984 23:05, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Starscream's stupid side vs Sam's stupid side

In the first movie Sam is running down the street with Ironhide and Rachet as his "bodygaurds", Starscream transforms and skids in (cars are flying everywhere), he has to know Sam is there WITH THE ALLSPARK. Instead of taking the Allspark and redeeming himself in Megatron's eyes he engages the Autobots. Sam is on the roof about to hand the Allspark to the guy in the copter. Starscream shoots the copter (almost killing Sam). Megatron arrives on the scene and Sam climbs behind a statue. He is now very high in the air and trapped between two Decepticons (who can fly) with the thing they want.

Let's put a ROTF picture

I think we should update the 'I got yer all spark, right here' picture with a new Revenge of The Fallen picture, because of his new tattoos.--Jaichigo 17:40, 13 August 2009 (UTC)Jaichigo

Find one of the same quality as the current image, not the tiny picture I reverted earlier. Lead images need to be clear and strongly representative of their focus, and should be pretty sizeable. Jeep! 18:58, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I think the new one I put today is the best one, and it's pretty big. Is that one okay?--Jaichigo 19:13, 14 August 2009 (UTC)Jaichigo

Starscream ROTF Legend class

I bought the Legend class at a discount price of RM15.90(around USD 3.50 include tax) than the original RM 24.90(around USD 5.90 include tax) at the Petronas Pump Station. Its a legend class similar to the first one except it had a better paint job with tatoo on. It look better than the gold paint at least........(Willy NOD 09:29, 14 August 2009 (UTC))

why is the old picture at the top of Starscream profile still there??

I thought that the new ROTF picture was better!!--Jaichigo 00:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)Jaichigo

Others didn't, so please don't make a song-and-dance about it. Jeep! 03:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, but if I can find a good one from Revenge of The Fallen, can we let that one stay? I'll put it, and see what are your thoughts on the one I found.--Jaichigo 03:48, 21 August 2009 (UTC)Jaichigo

Unused or to be replaced image

Starscream in Transformers 3

If he does appear in this next film, should Starscream decide to finally betray Megatron, to try and take over leadership of the Decepticons?

First of all, sign your damn posts. Secondly, whether he does or not, only the filmmakers know. Xeno the Hedgehog 15:00, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Any chance we could put actual quotes for captions? AlodurryJFK 08:11, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

MAJOR SPOILER BELOW

If you haven't already seen the latest trailer for DOTM, yes he's in it. If you don't want any spoilers, here's where you stop reading if you didn't notice it in the trailer; apparently, it shows what looks like Starscream being killed and Bumblebee rushing in to catch Sam as Strascream drops him.--Direct Control 05:04, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

• Yep, Sam blows his head off.--WarGrowlmon18 17:40, June 30, 2011 (UTC)