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Given the many DIVISIONS of Cycle, and the disagreement of terminology (Megacucle is used as everythign from hour to years) I suggest makign this the page for the various verions of cycle. Decacycle, megacycle, Gigacycle, etc.

And fore refernece, TF's first use of Cycles was Target 2006, whcich established that 1 cycle was EXACTLY 2 Earh Hours. -Derik19:01, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't orns be added to this chart as well? I don't want to muck with that coding but otherwise I'd add it in. --ZacWilliam 10:42, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

That chart makes things out to be too clear cut. For example, I'm sure Megacycle had other uses in Beast Wars that don't correspond to years. And here to muddy up the waters even more is Furman's explanation of time units in the IDW-verse, from this thread on the IDW boards:

  • A nano-klik is approximately one Earth second
  • A klik is about 1.2 Earth minutes
  • A cycle is about 1 hour 15 mins
  • A mega-cycle is about 93 hours
  • A deca-cycle is approx 3 weeks
  • A stellar-cycle is 7.5 months (there or thereabouts)
  • A Meta-cycle is about 13 months

So, uh, yeah. --KilMichaelMcC 11:41, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Stellar cycle sounds more like a year to me, given it sounds like the 'cycle' or orbit of Cybertron around its sun. --FFN 12:36, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Yes, and...?
  • Nothing prohibits Cybertron from going through one complete orbit of its' sun every 7.5 months. Nor from having a "day" 93 hours long [Venus has a 225-EarthDay "year" (7.4 months...) - and a 243-EarthDay DAY]. - SanityOrMadness 15:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Found the definition of Quartex, as Wheeljack brought up in the first G1 episode. 'Quartex' means a three-month period commencing on January I, April 1, July 1 or October 1 in a calendar year.

Uh, I believe that is the definition of a quarter, with an R, and it's an Earthen definition anyway, not a Cybertronic one. --Steve-o 00:09, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

The main article's "Specific unit definitions" is sorted by name, thus we can see the differences of time units with same name in different continuity.I think I'd like to put the "Specific unit definitions" by different continuity here for ......errr, I don't know how to say, for convenience maybe?  :) -- TX55 11:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC) *revision at 10:16, September 12 2007 (UTC)*

Units of Time

Marvel Comics

Unit Name Unit Duration
Breem[1] 8.3 minutes
Orn undetermined duration[2]
Vorn[1] 83 years

Marvel UK comics

Unit Name Unit Duration
Cycle 2 hours[3]
Groon ~1 hour[4]
Joor undetermined duration[4]

Beast Wars

Unit Name Unit Duration
Nano-klik ~1 second
Milli-Cycle undetermined duration
Cycle ~1 minute
Mega-cycle ~1 hour
Day ~20 hours
Deca-cycle ~30 days
Stellar cycle ~400 days

IDW universe

Unit Name Unit Duration
Klik 1.2 minutes
Cycle 1 hour 15 minutes (1.25 hours)
Deca-cycle ~3 weeks
Mega-cycle 93 hours
Meta-cycle 13 months
Stellar cycle ~7.5 months

Miscellaneous

Unit Name Unit Duration
Astrosecond[5] .498 seconds
Quartex[6] undetermined duration

Footnotes

  1. 1.0 1.1 "Breem" and "Vorn" were originally defined in the Marvel Comics, also used in Dreamwave's comics.
  2. It is apparently defined as "one Cybertronian lunar day".
  3. Target 2006
  4. 4.0 4.1 The Magnificent Six!
  5. Defined by Dreamwave's More Than Meets The Eye #8 as 1/1000th of a breem. Astroseconds as referenced in the Generation 1 cartoon seem to be much shorter, but were never defined. In particular, in "Divide and Conquer" Shockwave states that the space bridge will materialize within 72 billion astroseconds, an interval exceeding a millenium if Dreamwave's definition is applied. Even ignoring this extreme case, astroseconds in general cartoon use appeared to be much less than one second each.
  6. A unit of undetermined duration. In the very first Transformers cartoon episode, "More Than Meets The Eye, Part 1", Wheeljack complains that the shoddy energy conductors he and Bumblebee picked up don't have enough juice in them to last a quartex, so make of that what you will.


Tables

I really like the tables as opposed to the current way it's organized. The tables look neater and read a little more clearly to me. Jyuu 20:17, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I've attempted a compromise. I think it looks pretty spiffy.--Rosicrucian 20:49, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure how I feel about it... Jyuu, were you voting simply for a layout that uses tables, or for sorting them by continuity? I have two problems with Rosi's edit: First, I think that particlar table style isn't attractive for this purpose... I'd rather something all white with lines in between cells. But, my bigger problem is that the table layout doesn't jive well with the wildly-varying lengths of the unit descriptions. Some of the rows are ten times taller than others, and that isn't pretty. FWIW, I thought the definition list format it had before looked nice, but then again, I'm the one that started it that way in the first place. --Steve-o 22:06, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Eh, I'm not married to it. It was very easy to do, didn't take much time, and was done all in one edit pretty much expressly for easy reverting.--Rosicrucian 22:18, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Though comparing the two the current table allows you to see many more of the units at a time. At several different resolutions.--Rosicrucian 22:50, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Tables and by continuity both. I'm not terribly picky about which kind of tables though - Rosi's are just as nice as the samples here on the talk page. It's just my thought that anyone who is probably looking for what units of time mean might want to know what they are within a specific continuity (as I did when wondering about IDW time units), rather than sifting through the whole list for whatever might apply. --Jyuu 09:15, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
One of the reasons I do not want the list sorted by continuity is that it would hide the conflicting definitions a few terms have. Somebody might see the BW version of cycle -- even be looking specifically for it -- and leave not realizing there are two other definitions for the same unit that might be more relevant to whatever they're doing. --Steve-o 19:23, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
I wonder if the units that have multiple definitions could just be differently marked (italicized, footnoted, something to that effect)? Because I can see what you mean, but I think that by continuity would be pretty useful in just as many situations as the other. --Jyuu 03:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
I suppose a "see also" note on each of the repeat units would work alright... But I still feel like it's unnatural to have several seperate alphabetically-sorted lists instead of just one list. Maybe instead we could make a compressed, secondary table listing them by continuity but omitting the definitions. Something like this:
Marvel US Breem, Orn, Vorn
Marvel UK Cycle, Groon, Joor
Beast Wars Nano-klik, Milli-Cycle, Cycle, Mega-Cycle, Deca-Cycle, Stellar Cycle
IDW Klik, Cycle, Deca-Cycle, Mega-Cycle, Meta-Cycle, Stellar cycle
That would allow readers to quickly determine which units appeared in the fiction they are reading about. --Steve-o 19:53, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
My preference would still be for the continuity division with notes for those with other definitions. If you feel it's unnatural, I guess that's your call - I think it looks nicer, myself. --Jyuu 06:05, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Um... how about this idea, something like:
This article sorts the units of time by name, for the units of time from different continuities, see here. Here is the test page.
I think maybe this would work. ;) --TX55 07:17, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Animated update?

The Animated units are currently listed by their CC-spelling, however, The Arrival issue 1 uses the spellings "megacycles" (without the hyphen), "deca-cycles" and "nano-kliks". Time for an update? -- 129.125.176.36 08:30, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


I had a question about animated. How can a solar cycle be a year? In TransWarped Red Alert told Hot Shot he'd get his new leg in 6-8 solar cycles. That sounds like weeks. Does it need an update? 24.91.191.188 01:45, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

sorting

wouldnt it be better to make separate charts for each show or comic?? instead of cramming it all in one space randomly.--RemusLupo 09:09, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

The issue has been discussed as above. I've just start a page about units of time sorted by continuities. Two pages can link each other via right of the page top. --TX55TALK 13:08, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

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